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	<title>Comments for David Farbey&#039;s Marginal Notes</title>
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		<title>Comment on Myths About Content by Paul K. Sholar</title>
		<link>http://www.farbey.co.uk/index.php/2011/08/myths-about-content/comment-page-1/#comment-19283</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul K. Sholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you just love how vendors regularly cast doubt on the testimony of user-practitioners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you just love how vendors regularly cast doubt on the testimony of user-practitioners?</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Aaron Fulkerson</title>
		<link>http://www.farbey.co.uk/index.php/2012/01/on-awards-and-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-18469</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Fulkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 05:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re pretty damn cool Rahel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re pretty damn cool Rahel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Rahel Bailie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahel Bailie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t dismiss lists and rankings quite so lightly. I don&#039;t put huge stock in them as a quality barometer, but I do use them (with a rather large grain of salt) to identify who are industry leaders to follow, who have similar interests, and so on. For example, I notice who Twitter recommends I follow. (I don&#039;t always take Twitter&#039;s advice, but I consider it.) It has led to some interesting finds. I look at my Klout score to see who else is an influencer and whether they&#039;re posting interesting articles that can contribute to my ongoing professional development.

It didn&#039;t surprise me that I didn&#039;t rank on the list. The amount of techcomm-related publishing I&#039;ve done (blog posts, articles elsewhere, tweets, LinkedIn posts, FB posts) have been minimal, unless it&#039;s an overlap with content strategy. And then, as someone mentioned, the hash tag lengths restrict my choice. I&#039;m more likely to use #contentstrategy and hope that if it&#039;s of interest to the techcomm community, someone will retweet and change the hash tag. And I suppose that&#039;s why I made the content strategy list that Mindtouch published a while back.

And that&#039;s the thing about lists. Being a full-fledged, lifetime member of the awkward squad, I never expect to be part of the cool crowd. But algorithms don&#039;t care whether you&#039;re cute and bubbly or a hipster. Algorithmic hiccups aside, the list is based on substance, not personal politics. What&#039;s more important is how you assess and then use the list. I may not hire someone based on how far up the list their name is, but the list may serve some other purpose that ends in a serendipitous find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t dismiss lists and rankings quite so lightly. I don&#8217;t put huge stock in them as a quality barometer, but I do use them (with a rather large grain of salt) to identify who are industry leaders to follow, who have similar interests, and so on. For example, I notice who Twitter recommends I follow. (I don&#8217;t always take Twitter&#8217;s advice, but I consider it.) It has led to some interesting finds. I look at my Klout score to see who else is an influencer and whether they&#8217;re posting interesting articles that can contribute to my ongoing professional development.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t surprise me that I didn&#8217;t rank on the list. The amount of techcomm-related publishing I&#8217;ve done (blog posts, articles elsewhere, tweets, LinkedIn posts, FB posts) have been minimal, unless it&#8217;s an overlap with content strategy. And then, as someone mentioned, the hash tag lengths restrict my choice. I&#8217;m more likely to use #contentstrategy and hope that if it&#8217;s of interest to the techcomm community, someone will retweet and change the hash tag. And I suppose that&#8217;s why I made the content strategy list that Mindtouch published a while back.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the thing about lists. Being a full-fledged, lifetime member of the awkward squad, I never expect to be part of the cool crowd. But algorithms don&#8217;t care whether you&#8217;re cute and bubbly or a hipster. Algorithmic hiccups aside, the list is based on substance, not personal politics. What&#8217;s more important is how you assess and then use the list. I may not hire someone based on how far up the list their name is, but the list may serve some other purpose that ends in a serendipitous find.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.farbey.co.uk/index.php/2012/01/on-awards-and-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-18277</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a bit of fun, that no-one is (or should) assign any huge value to other than &quot;ohhh didn&#039;t know about [that person]&quot;. That&#039;s not to say I don&#039;t think it has any value, but that ANY list is going to be subjective regardless of the mechanism of production.

As a conversation piece it is valuable, of course, but as Sarah suggests this is just one of many ways of interacting with this big messy community/profession we share.

I like it. Not because I&#039;m on it but because it gets people talking, and exploring, our profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a bit of fun, that no-one is (or should) assign any huge value to other than &#8220;ohhh didn&#8217;t know about [that person]&#8220;. That&#8217;s not to say I don&#8217;t think it has any value, but that ANY list is going to be subjective regardless of the mechanism of production.</p>
<p>As a conversation piece it is valuable, of course, but as Sarah suggests this is just one of many ways of interacting with this big messy community/profession we share.</p>
<p>I like it. Not because I&#8217;m on it but because it gets people talking, and exploring, our profession.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Peter Grainge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Grainge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with those who have made the point about the content of the tweets.
My tweets are not about influencing people, my role in the community is providing information via my site about using RoboHelp and that does not make me an influencer. I should not be on the list, anywhere.
I see others ranked out of order compared with any human assessed rating.
I think the problems come from labeling the list Influencers and the strong link with tweeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those who have made the point about the content of the tweets.<br />
My tweets are not about influencing people, my role in the community is providing information via my site about using RoboHelp and that does not make me an influencer. I should not be on the list, anywhere.<br />
I see others ranked out of order compared with any human assessed rating.<br />
I think the problems come from labeling the list Influencers and the strong link with tweeting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Colum McAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colum McAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is 12th on the list I echo everyone&#039;s concern. I viewed this exercise as fun but one on which you shouldn&#039;t place too much importance. It will certainly help some people keep in touch, but it should never be used as the definitive list of techcomm or content strategy influencers. I think everyone on the list knows this but the danger is that those less in tune with the industry may not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is 12th on the list I echo everyone&#8217;s concern. I viewed this exercise as fun but one on which you shouldn&#8217;t place too much importance. It will certainly help some people keep in touch, but it should never be used as the definitive list of techcomm or content strategy influencers. I think everyone on the list knows this but the danger is that those less in tune with the industry may not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Sarah Maddox</title>
		<link>http://www.farbey.co.uk/index.php/2012/01/on-awards-and-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-18215</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Maddox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallo David and all
Nice post, David, and a good discussion in the comments. Thanks especially to Aaron for the information about the tool. 

When I look at a list of influencers such as the one we&#039;re discussing, I see it as just one source of information about who are the people to follow. I guess the aim of the tool is to provide a definitive list by aggregating information from various sources. But I also know that I have my own priorities and requirements when deciding who is influential. Indeed, I may compile a number of different lists based on my reason for wanting the list in the first place. 

So, while it&#039;s great to be on a list, it&#039;s even greater to be part of the wide, messy community that is the web. And I&#039;m hoping that anyone whose looking for influential people will spread their search wider than just one list. 

Kudos to MindTouch for jumping in and getting us all talking. I love the work you guys do. And I love the community of tech writers that we all are. 

Cheers, Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo David and all<br />
Nice post, David, and a good discussion in the comments. Thanks especially to Aaron for the information about the tool. </p>
<p>When I look at a list of influencers such as the one we&#8217;re discussing, I see it as just one source of information about who are the people to follow. I guess the aim of the tool is to provide a definitive list by aggregating information from various sources. But I also know that I have my own priorities and requirements when deciding who is influential. Indeed, I may compile a number of different lists based on my reason for wanting the list in the first place. </p>
<p>So, while it&#8217;s great to be on a list, it&#8217;s even greater to be part of the wide, messy community that is the web. And I&#8217;m hoping that anyone whose looking for influential people will spread their search wider than just one list. </p>
<p>Kudos to MindTouch for jumping in and getting us all talking. I love the work you guys do. And I love the community of tech writers that we all are. </p>
<p>Cheers, Sarah</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Karen Mulholland</title>
		<link>http://www.farbey.co.uk/index.php/2012/01/on-awards-and-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-18209</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Mulholland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated, David.
I&#039;ve had similar concerns - while it&#039;s flattering to be on the list, I&#039;m not at all certain that I belong on it. But the list has been valuable to me because it&#039;s acquainted me with people I should follow; Kai is right about that. Sometimes things turn out to be useful for reasons entirely other than those originally envisioned by their creators. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated, David.<br />
I&#8217;ve had similar concerns &#8211; while it&#8217;s flattering to be on the list, I&#8217;m not at all certain that I belong on it. But the list has been valuable to me because it&#8217;s acquainted me with people I should follow; Kai is right about that. Sometimes things turn out to be useful for reasons entirely other than those originally envisioned by their creators. <img src='http://www.farbey.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Kai</title>
		<link>http://www.farbey.co.uk/index.php/2012/01/on-awards-and-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-18195</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David, for a more rational, well-argued approach vis-à-vis &quot;the list&quot; than my own more impressionistic reactions at http://kaiweber.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/tech-comm-influencer/

I second your point about language, esp. seeing that at least one account tweeting in Spanish made the list (and another one often tweeting in Danish - Hi, Karen!). If that

I second Jason&#039;s point about tweet content. I&#039;ve had a lot of fun with personal and/or plain silly tweets, but like him, I try to keep it professionally relevant for the most part and like to follow those who do (unless I know them personally).

I understand and respect that Aaron cannot say more about an unreleased tool, but the situation is a bit awkward and makes me disagree that &quot;objective with some anomalies [is] preferable to something that was subjective.&quot;

On a positive note, I&#039;ve discovered more than 20 twitterers I wouldn&#039;t know about without the list, so I&#039;m fine with the list and my position on it, I just wish it was a little more reliable in terms of who&#039;s ranked and on which position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David, for a more rational, well-argued approach vis-à-vis &#8220;the list&#8221; than my own more impressionistic reactions at <a href="http://kaiweber.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/tech-comm-influencer/" rel="nofollow">http://kaiweber.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/tech-comm-influencer/</a></p>
<p>I second your point about language, esp. seeing that at least one account tweeting in Spanish made the list (and another one often tweeting in Danish &#8211; Hi, Karen!). If that</p>
<p>I second Jason&#8217;s point about tweet content. I&#8217;ve had a lot of fun with personal and/or plain silly tweets, but like him, I try to keep it professionally relevant for the most part and like to follow those who do (unless I know them personally).</p>
<p>I understand and respect that Aaron cannot say more about an unreleased tool, but the situation is a bit awkward and makes me disagree that &#8220;objective with some anomalies [is] preferable to something that was subjective.&#8221;</p>
<p>On a positive note, I&#8217;ve discovered more than 20 twitterers I wouldn&#8217;t know about without the list, so I&#8217;m fine with the list and my position on it, I just wish it was a little more reliable in terms of who&#8217;s ranked and on which position.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Awards and Algorithms by Jason Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your points, David. I would also make a point about—if you are going to assess Twitter influence—examining the quality of the tweets. That is, what are people saying about the technical communication profession? Personally I only like to follow people on Twitter (from a professional standpoint) who are tweeting often enough about the techcomm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your points, David. I would also make a point about—if you are going to assess Twitter influence—examining the quality of the tweets. That is, what are people saying about the technical communication profession? Personally I only like to follow people on Twitter (from a professional standpoint) who are tweeting often enough about the techcomm.</p>
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